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The Buddha was not arguing with Hinduism. There was no such thing.

Three distinct things get collapsed into one word: a body of Sanskrit ritual texts, a priestly social order built on them, and the vast religious life of a subcontinent. Keeping them apart changes almost every argument that uses the word.

Three things

What it isDates
VedismA sacrificial ritual system in Sanskrit: fire, mantra, offering into flame. No temple, no image, no bhakti. Almost nobody practises itc. 1500–500 BCE
BrahmanismThe social and legal order built on those texts — varna, birth-rank, ritual monopoly, the Dharmasūtras and Manu. A system of authority, not a set of beliefsc. 500 BCE onward, saturating in the law codes
What is now called HinduismTemple worship, image worship, bhakti, pilgrimage, local and village deities, festival, vow, possession, sacred grove, the goddess — most of it non-Vedic in originThe living practice; the name is modern
The word itself

Hindu is Persian — from Old Persian Hindu, from Sanskrit Sindhu, the river. It was a geographic term for the people east of the Indus, used by outsiders. Its use as the name of a religion is late, and its systematisation as a single bounded faith is a product of the colonial census, colonial law, and nineteenth-century reform movements answering Christian missionary attack.

Nobody in the Rigveda, the Upaniṣads, the epics or Manu ever called themselves a Hindu. The word does not exist in those texts.

Why Aśoka pairs them at all

And in several edicts the śramaṇas come first

The formula samana-bamhana recurs through the Aśokan edicts — Rock Edicts 3, 4, 8, 9, 11 and 13 among them — as the standard designation for religious professionals owed support and respect.

The order is worth noticing. In much of the corpus it is samana first. That matches what Buddhist texts do elsewhere with the varna list, where khattiya precedes brāhmaṇa. Ordering is not neutral in a tradition that recites lists.

The respect is not an endorsement of parity in practice. Aśoka governed an empire containing Buddhists, Jains, Ājīvikas, brahmins and a great deal else. The pairing is a governing formula — a way of naming every category of religious specialist at once so that none can claim to have been excluded from a royal instruction.

It is a state managing constituencies, not a philosopher conceding a point.

And it tells you what the categories were. A third-century BCE emperor issuing public instructions in Prakrit needed two words to cover the religious field, and used two — which is direct, dated, non-literary evidence that these were understood as separate things.

The asymmetry the pairing conceals is real. Aśoka names both; the Dharmaśāstra tradition does not return the courtesy. Manu's treatment of the heterodox is hostile, and the absorption of the Buddha as an avatar sent to deceive is a later move in the same direction. Even-handedness in a royal edict is not evidence of even-handedness between the traditions.

Samaṇa or śramaṇa

The question is which form is primary, and the answer is not obvious either way
SourceFormDate
Aśokan edicts — Prakritsamana3rd c. BCE
Pali canonsamaṇafrom the same period
Megasthenes, in GreekSarmanes — with the rc. 300 BCE
Bardaisan, reported in GreekSamanaioi — no rc. 218 CE
Chineseshāmén 沙門, from a Prakrit formfrom c. 2nd c. CE
Sanskritśramaṇa

The Sanskrit form has a working etymology:śram, "to toil, exert oneself" — one who strives. And Sanskrit śr- reduces to Prakrit s- by regular cluster simplification, so samaṇa derives from śramaṇa without difficulty.

What cuts the other way: the earliest attestations in actual use are the r-less ones. Aśoka's public inscriptions say samana, and Aśoka was not writing Sanskrit. The people the word describes used the r-less form; the Sanskrit form is how a different tradition wrote about them.

And Megasthenes complicates it in the other direction again — Sarmanes, around 300 BCE, preserves the r, which means an r-form was current early and was not a later Sanskritic back-formation.

The Sanskrit derivation works. That does not establish that the Sanskrit form came first — a plausible etymology can be built after the fact for a word borrowed from elsewhere.

The distribution is one-sided, and it should be set out plainly.

r-lesswith r
Aśokan Prakrit — samana
Pali — samaṇa
Chinese — shāmén
Bardaisan's Greek — Samanaioi
Sanskrit — śramaṇa
Megasthenes' Greek — Sarmanes

Every language the tradition itself used is r-less. The r-forms are Sanskrit, and one Greek transcription.

Hypersanskritism — the process that would produce śramaṇa from samaṇa

Middle Indo-Aryan simplifies consonant clusters. Sanskritising a Prakrit word therefore requires guessing which cluster was there before — and the guess can be wrong. The resulting form is a hypersanskritism: a Sanskrit-shaped word that never existed in Old Indo-Aryan.

This is not hypothetical. Buddhist Hybrid Sanskrit is full of it — Prakrit texts given Sanskrit dress by people reconstructing clusters that were not originally present. The process is documented, named and common in exactly the corpus where śramaṇa vocabulary lives.

And it undercuts the etymology as evidence. A scribe Sanskritising samaṇa would look for a cluster that made the word meaningful. śram, "to exert" — precisely apt for a tradition of ascetic effort — is exactly what a competent hypersanskritiser would select.

A transparent, fitting etymology is what a good back-formation produces. It is not independent evidence that the form is original.

Where that leaves it

Two derivations, both available:

śramaṇa → samaṇa requires only regular cluster simplification. Common, unremarkable, expected.

samaṇa → śramaṇa requires hypersanskritism. Documented, named, and well attested in this exact literature — but a marked process rather than an automatic one.

That asymmetry gives a mild structural lean toward śramaṇa being prior. It is a lean, not a demonstration.

What would decide it: a form in some language — Chinese, Sogdian, Khotanese, Tocharian, Greek — that cannot be derived from śramaṇa and must come from an r-less original. None has been identified here. Equally, no early attestation from the tradition's own languages has the r, and the one Greek r-form comes from a writer based in Magadha whose informants are unknown.

The claim that survives independently of all this: the movement's own languages were Prakrit and Pali. Aśoka's public inscriptions are in Prakrit, and the form there is samana. Whatever the etymological history, the tradition did not describe itself in Sanskrit — and the Sanskrit form is a neighbouring tradition's word for it, in the same way Dasyu and mleccha are Sanskrit words for people who called themselves something else.

On Sanskritisation generally, and on Rudra specifically

The phenomenon is real. Hypersanskritism — restoring a Prakrit form to a Sanskrit shape it never had — is documented, particularly in place names and technical vocabulary, where a simplified local form gets "corrected" into a cluster that was never there.

But the general direction of change runs the other way. Sanskrit clusters simplify in Prakrit; that is the regular process. Removing consonants from Sanskrit words to recover an original is not a method, because the sound changes are directional and documented, and reversing them freely produces anything.

Applied to Rudra: the derivation does not work. Removing the r yields uda, not suda — there is no s to recover. Sanskrit r and s are distinct phonemes with separate regular reflexes across Indo-Iranian, and nothing licenses an exchange between them here.

The honest statement about Rudra is that its etymology is uncertain. Both √rud "to howl" and a connection to redness have been proposed; Mayrhofer marks it unresolved. An unexplained name for a god with no ritual vocabulary, whose strongest collocate is medicine, is a genuine open question — and it stays open rather than being closed with a derivation that the sound laws do not permit.

Who the challengers actually were

And what they were challenging

FigureBirthThe target of the argument
The BuddhaKṣatriya, Śākya clanBrahmin claims to superiority by birth. In the Assalāyana and Ambaṭṭha suttas he argues the point directly
MahāvīraKṣatriyaRitual violence and birth-status. Jain tradition holds a Tīrthaṅkara cannot be born in a brahmin family
Makkhali GosālaReportedly humble birth — a mankha, a picture-showmanFounded the Ājīvikas. Their literature is entirely lost; they survive in their opponents' polemics and two granite hills
Basava12th c., KarnatakaRejected caste, temple and Vedic authority outright. The Anubhava Maṇṭapa admitted women and low-caste members
The Tamil SiddharsVarious, mostly outside the twice-bornŚivavākkiyar mocks idol worship, ritual and caste in Tamil
Kabīr, Ravidās, Chokhamela, NandanarWeaver, leatherworker, Mahar, ParaiyarPriesthood, scripture and caste. In vernacular, singable, unrestricted
The Pali canon lists the four varnas — and puts Kṣatriya first

khattiya, brāhmaṇa, vessa, sudda. That ordering is itself the argument. Listing a social scheme is not endorsing it; the suttas use it as description while denying it has any spiritual force. The saṅgha ignored caste for ordination entirely.

These were not movements against Hinduism. Temple worship, bhakti and the goddess mostly did not yet exist in the forms now called Hindu. They were arguments against Brahmanism — against a priestly claim to authority by birth — conducted largely by people who were not brahmins.

What is not Vedic in ordinary practice

Take the Vedic layer out and see what remains

Temples and images — no Vedic precedent. Vedic ritual has fire, not buildings.

Pūjā — flowers, lamp, food offering. The word itself has no secure Indo-European etymology; Kuiper proposed Dravidian origin and nothing has replaced it.

Murugan, Koṟṟavai, Ayyanar, Māriyamman, the village goddess, the sacred grove, the hero stone — of undetermined origin, later given Sanskrit parentage.

Bhakti — vernacular, unmediated, sung. Rejected priest and Sanskrit both, and produced the anti-caste poets.

Rebirth, karma, liberation, yoga, meditationno Iranian counterpart at all, unlike every core Vedic element. Credited in the Upaniṣads themselves to non-Brahmin teachers.

Subtract what is demonstrably Vedic and most of what people actually do remains.

Where this argument has to be careful

Four qualifications, or the case does not survive contact

1 · Many early Buddhists were brahmins. Sāriputta, Moggallāna and Mahākassapa were all of brahmin birth. The movement was not ethnically anti-brahmin — it was anti-brahmin-claim. That is a sharper and more defensible position.

2 · The traditions absorbed each other in both directions. Bhakti carried Sanskritic deities south while rejecting priestly mediation. Vedānta took from Buddhism — Śaṅkara's own opponents called him pracchanna bauddha. Nothing here is a clean lineage.

3 · Caste is not a brahmin monopoly. The taxonomy was written by brahmins; it was operated by landholding castes, who enforced it in villages. Removing brahmins from the account does not remove caste.

4 · "Hinduism is really the pre-existing tradition minus Vedism" is a normative claim, not a historical one. It proposes what the category should mean. That is a legitimate argument and it should be made as an argument — because presenting it as a historical finding invites the reply that living traditions get to define themselves, which is also true.

What the law does with the categories

The collapse is legislated

The Hindu Marriage Act 1955, and the Succession, Minority and Adoption Acts of the same period, define "Hindu" to include Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs for the purposes of personal law.

Three traditions that defined themselves against Brahmanical authority are administered under a statute named for it. This has been a live grievance for Sikh and Buddhist organisations since the Acts were passed, and it is the clearest modern instance of the category collapse this page is about.